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It's like it's OK so one of the most important things that I already found in this work is that many of the reverence hook up with the soon to become the wife on campus and then they go together to frontier to come up with church printers but I wanted to know you know if there was something that was pushed the students or something that was like I call you general spirit talking about the everything of of that that everything nature because I see so many of them hooked up to the University I'm gonna go somewhere church planting is a family values no it's part of the culture that you know it at liberty there was this like like saying that when around campus you probably heard the saying which was like you have to get your ring by Spring no I'm not sure that's awesome before you graduate I mean if it was an I and I heard Jerry follow senior many times and visiting parents would come you know to the campus they were trying to decide whether they would pay for their kids within this at that point not that old of a University and a different type of University or religious school one of the pitches was you know here you're gonna find can you're you gonna have find you know if your kids are gonna hang people like them you know and your future spouse son of all of these things were Stephanie part of the culture and it's a evangelicalism you know it's always been the family has always been at the heart of it and so we're so affirmative that I wouldn't say that we were like we certainly were pretty annoyed that liberty wasn't like ruin sitting around trying to see you The cult adjusted its part of the culture and then laid around in my junior when we created a entire course that was a course required for all freshmen called the psychology of relationship development as if we were finding that plate the students were here quipping them in every way we thought that was important you know that we were helping them understand what they needed for their vocation we had these way for a few courses we had a course on the introduction to Christian live like they were getting all of their vocational skills plus this religious education but yeah they weren't really understanding we we wanted them to have healthy healthy marriages and healthy friendships and all of all of these sorts of things so I've nobody else heard the largest council school in America and I think still does and training license clinical council I know it is difficult and it's me and the leader that's cool and a few others we sat down a week later this month Or spell the psychology relationship development so that you know what you want to hear Maybe 2009 supposed to hates somewhere in there so so that every student is part of their corporate love would learn how so lately you'll have to have healthy relationships but not just from a bit of a point of view from a psychological point of view like bringing them all together but that's part of the culture particularly finding your spouse you like lingered friends for life and obviously but I don't know many of the system anyways I said look there's a pattern you can see here hes like a guy meets a girl and then they decided to get her as a new family drive somewhere for we're like this language of call like what is got calling yeah I've got calling you a Sacramento the perspective is God's calling your family to do something like it's not just that the God's calling the husband to do something and the wife is coming along or viceroy that gets the family as a family is a family social there is this element it's not something that I found just there is a practice that's what I wanted to understand George Clinton the art of the church's planning Training cause I'm having an awful part my original plan was to be a church winner so that you know I'm not hired to be the to be the camp's master but had I not what year what year was this was in 2002 2003 somewhere there so I was gonna graduate I was gonna go start a church in Ohio or Seattle or Seattle or do somebody point to you cause it was just the culture it was just like I was a religion major this is what you did but you never did it alone so you'd get like a baby a few yeah I saw that my brother's goes together I saw a sex story of produc that's what I saw story of for you few friends go together somewhere to answer once in a birthday live youth faster and it's gonna be the lead faster when it's gonna be the musically error and you've started to start the church it's definitely part of the culture so that's culture that atmosphere encouraged students and we're also training like you know as a religion major you know you took courses that involved in the problem that is so you you're a religion major you're like gonna be a part of a church we're gonna start a church Or if you're not a religion major you know you know you're gonna be a member of a church and you're gonna be a part of this culture smell like that was that it was absolutely in the heart of it it's in it's a very entrepreneurial way yeah exactly that's that's that's that's it's a small larger you know that I'll get your Jerusalem then did you hurt him with this phrase or at that no a 1000 times oh you heard that so let's go out and even eat you know in his case like he you know he he he was always an independent thinker who writes or even as an independent Baptist fundamentalist thrown in his culture like a lot of people really we it's like you're free with color like KJV only and they would say like the king James version of The Bible is like the only version of The Bible that's actually lot of things that very fundamentalists do but even back then and that culture hall will press'd those things if you know he opposes those things and in the school that he graduated from fact is my propeller Actually wanted him to do something else when he graduated and he said no and he went and started the church and his inland spoke I heard this and he started things for the rest of his life he was an entrepreneur amazing amazing yeah and he taught us to be entrepreneurs and then he would have used to say that he would S pick every Wednesday and he would say these extraordinary things and when you refresh when you wouldn't believe any of them because it's like not the way the world works by the time you were singing at the 4 years you would have seen so much you'd believe anything you mean he just hate me worked harder than anybody I ever met like he you know he was very mission driven and was always very focused and if you were talking to presidents you're traveling around the country if he was in town at 6 o'clock on every night of the week and be at the hospital visiting members of his church that he was always like mission trippin and unlike unlike other sort of big famous pastor's he never drifted from that like he was a he always It was his ultimate mission was very focused and now I'm not amazing but if it didn't si exist he'd read also that he was insisting at least the beginning to go to the 1st prayer after church planting like when a senior would go out there and it would do everything in his power to come to take part and it's 1st the 1st month maybe of that given pastor with his new community in Anna's new church that was just planted it was very important to read some articles about that and even we would go like a student nearly stop hiding tiny small churches that 15 people 20 people went on the weekend through a garden like health and speak and all other things but he viewed he took personally every liberty student and they relate to the psychological and Jerry's kids like I know he died was he he was really invested in the success of everyone he had the privilege Determining even if you never met them just let the fact that I can't yeah I don't know if it says something about he was enjoying young Timothy in which I tried to understand what does it mean cause others it say something that I didn't know it's something like someone in the beginning of Israel rights or support hall had always the impossible always had a protege Timothy yeah was his project all right OK so yeah which is like his final letter the last letter of a possible if we guys were spaghetti it's written to this protege Timothy and he Brown he sees the end and what does he do he writes to Timothy and then he says in the 1st book to Timothy he says fan to flame the gift of God that's in right so it wasn't just that he was like passing it along but he was he was viewing it as his personal responsibility to make his to make his birthday so that's Jerry himself I mean that that's how we started school In 1989 he he was he never was he no longer made politically influential but a signal you're politically involuntarily imagined he made a conscious decision in 1998y 9 is shut down the moral majority to focus on liberty University because he decided that the best way he could impact the world was by training hundreds of thousands eventually hundreds of thousands of students no a 1000 Timothy's and 10100 1000 amazing story I'm a using story I'm exploring of grassroots movements it was on the shade when I talked with people who do political science everybody kept telling to poke me you know yeah there's a gap in knowledge there like how how I was created a grassroots movementt that's a gap yet you're on and something went up to scholars and people who do that and and so like he was Pioneer in the sense of understanding like to layout the exact formula how things need To work so it is not just like C cannon which do almost almost something like that because 2nd and also created this amazing movement at the impact of Israel US politics but via using congregation I called it the inverted parameters a year and you will read that when I read the book so I request what letter is 1000 and then on top of that inside getting in and that's how you impact Washington of expert there was people Jerry came up and invented the speaker tell people that vintage that's that something has using tools that end motivate them and move them for action it's one segment but the other segment to create something that's mine blocked I'm in for me I'm gonna give you a nickname couldn't and because of his commitment to like vision and faith it caused people to take risks right Somewhere to start with a barn on holiday Henry roon holiday in room basement I read those crazy stories it's in the a perseverance strong indifference severe and so the assumption wasn't accurate and I succeeded the assumption was it's got to hold you to do something you could do it it'll be hard but you don't have faith got I will eventually bless you and so amazing it's a bit let me ask you the 2nd I mean the places that you know that you were dead you know soldier soldier relating to Israel and moving the embassy eventually the actor moved 1995 yeah oh did you saw that you were talking to students trying to convey this Passion for them when they go out there to cook so I asked like 200 of them and I got maybe 15 people to get back to me some of them you're related and told me yes that's actually what it did but I never had the opportunity to talk with someone I solved in this future by 1995 Eventually eventually the bill came up and he was on Congress from 1998y 2 90 84 so he came to Congress pitching about that exactly where I don't don't remember I I don't remember doing my time a lot of talk about the embassy in particular what I do remember a lot of talk about Israel right because I was in the church too I knew I was in the church too I was in the church too I knew I was a kid so you know there would be times who were like you know Cole was constantly in Israel you know there was sometimes he would broadcast services services from Israel and so I wouldn't say that II remember much of the public policy piece of it as much as this culture of Israel was a pretty defensive supported and it was like taken for grants at actually and that everyone sort of supported his real I remember one unusual moment that when he the following always had had French of the people who I'm not only disagreed with him but we're on the way other side of the Isle like you know he was he would debahe was even debate you know with the Yelp the guy lthe you guy who is the guy who is the guy who is the guy who is the guy who they're is Supreme Court but they fought all the way to the Supreme Court like you know they but they would debate on college campuses to the Americans that case later on I'm in flight together on the plane and the route of the Crescent but I remember that I had to go back and look when but there was one point where a rab that you can you bought a like a rabbit who it knew is true hes going to go back and I hate the thought of this and it's a very moment and now because of what I know about the Jewish community and how close I am to the Jewish community I wonder if the guy was like reform to conservative or whatever but I remember a language you didn't see that many people from other sides of the aisle at liberty every once a while would have fun you know like when Ted Kennedy gave me something so pleased I'd get it here I'll wait before me but I know that story but you know 1 time this rabbit comes and follow just gives him an 10 minutes to share whatever was not and was totally different from what most liberty students thought but it was a part of the culture so you viewed grew up with a situational awareness of this rope but you also saw his like savvy diplomatic skills right lamantics Mindy go so I mean the you know some of the 1st people I met at a liberty from Israel where air questions that he had scholarships to come to come to study at liberty liberty University apparently he added that along the way he had met with Arafat and Arafat complained to him about all these christians only care about Israel and so follow agreed will provide scholarships to some of the air christians account and I met one of those families you know when I was a student you know it at liberty and so you sort of like song like taken for granted that a few everyone supported supported Israel but trio but he was very much at home in the beliefs and it was just part of the culture and I think 1 of the reasons why I was so interested To the Middle East's 2 things then gets my father living in Saudi Arabia 30 years ago and Jerry followed right was around the line always talking about when when did you 1st engage with them what year was it followed I think I was 15 years old I was I was like I was like here wasn't maybe plate 9 days or so hope I'll be right now so I was a competitive public speaker in Virginia and sand the number one exhibiting his speaker in Virginia the public school And I was in a in a competition I was discriminated against a case of so begins to US case it so you've always got like 11 to 51 being the best that is 111 this regional competition I lost the competition back and I've got all files what happened while the judge unknown's literally wrote that because I advocated for the tin commandments in the classroom that he gave me the bottom of the bounce work so it screwed me to the bottom of the you he bounce asked work me so a question it and screwed I me remember distinctly up there's it's you which a second I'm is creative not picking up shoot shoot that shoot dude shoot you have to take a moment to the guns out OK and I said of course if there's a brinkport one other classroom and it gave me the blow smart so I wrote my pastor as we attended Thomas Rivera stretch a routine a stir and tear bc.org not a pride and have a private email address I wrote him that night like sad you're not gonna believe what happens to me today you know all of these things That's never communicated before in my life I was on a Saturday night Sunday morning the next morning he reads my email on TV and what I was at just a regular kid in the church a church of like 15000 people but I was one of his kit right and so he stood up for me and that's how I met him and then an inventory asked me to be the campus faster when I graduated from my awesome so that I was he believed in young people and throw you in the dream that marijuana was I was up everything in my life I owed to him throwing me in the deep I didn't have the experience I didn't know what I was doing but he I was a democratic psychology and me and you know awesome I don't think it's like when you tell me to sort of him sitting with Savannah it's like I'm sat with like presidency the 3 times for like an hour's you know at a time like I you know these are things like the evangelicals do Angelica's dude but he did it 1st night and then and Billy Graham in other ways and it confuses people sometimes require we're doing a loyal meeting without it's part of our culture too young Amazing I don't know that you met with CC but this 3rd question is actually related to you not to follow a blessed memory this actually my teeth is OK what's trying to do disconnect the dots between summer 7171 Lynchburg college comes along then I'm long then one week before primaries 2016 where hes been crowned in liberty to you I heard so many stories about that who's waiting him to get like the approval sign that hes part of it and it never came never showed up the actually crowned him 1 week before Iowa banners and then the last Empire point is Ashkush Wisconsin August 20 where president trump declares from Only recently I wrote the emphasis of Jews not baby it's just the avengelical so what I'm trying to do in my perfect situation explain how one's beenvision created eventually chain reaction via church member dad that it's moved it so here's just my question that I want to ask about since you were part of the board did you guys talk about it right from the beginning about moving the embassy as a part of crowning trumpet don't crowning trump and Would you press him during this president we didn't were for so we didn't have to press him he was absolutely like that he was part of a fundamental strawberry beginning it was that was the that was the deal deal it wasn't the only thing that it was of yet was at the heart of it I mean this was the malicious Jesus yeah this is you asked us what our priorities were and we'll be in the to embassy Jerusalem but you're like the Irondale because Iran was persecuting christians and threatening threatening in Israel and we were tired of the domestic encroachment on whether to street and waiting they people wouldn't believe that they're gonna believe live however they want to live but you know don't cause catholics said Richard and I have to provide contraception against perception the conscience of revenge illegals we have no from the contraception but we do have a problem with you know mightily and people's religious liberty late you know I don't know what to put but what the embassy decision was that was at the very heart of an effect there was one time where Harily on he just like call us to the office and it was a little less less control and you know we hand wrote a note the others left it there right that point was you can sort of like you know he was an unconventional president you know he had a yeah but the gatekeeper's didn't exist as much and so we could just slightly land and we left that and if we were at the heart of it but I would say no yeah they know it it was would start but it was it was you can absolutely charge it back to Jerry follow singer all of the most influential figures yeah pour out of the 17 board members are liberty you graduate I think it's phenomena I mean even at the skateboards whengiven like a discovery cycling when you went trump asked Paula to organize the board Paula called Tim Clinton who is the leader of the center center of for counseling the and family studies at liberty haven't him plenty call mate night so so actually you could say that 2 of the 3 organizers were liberty liberty people because what happened with chocolate for the 1st time ever the sort of fairy terrorist there a charismatic community and varied Baptistic community hanging together in the same room I was in the room most of the people who literally never met each other literally had all kinds of thoughts about one another bottled together but we were able to be we're able to bring them together in the end of the same room but what did unite us more than anything else was out of Israel I mean it was it was absolutely I was absolutely at the heart of it and and ais ends and also have we not supported the Abraham records You probably need a if there were huge sensitivities around the around the question of sovereignty over Judy and Sumeria during that the whole federal conversation and evangelicals lined up you know a lot of us having had lots of meetings you know all about all across this part of the world saying right now if I wrote how 17 I wrote a an editorial not for not for the public no but II wrote it and it said that the title was Phoebe and God shouldn't trade an exation for a 4 cookies eye and I sent it I just let her send you the emails that I'm not to publish this but I wrote it and I sent it to emiranian massacre I sent it around us to to some other smooth prints of mine some of my Prince friend's a minor abnormality of the heaven had an impression for what it did do in the White House that had some concerns about making An amazolical sangry yeah on the purpose on this question was and had the effect of demonstrating the average electrical spot more broad lake and about these things but yeah I me for the very beginning no no question part of our support for president trump we're for president trump and it gave us more confidence that vice president hence was you and your heart know that everything related eventually everything related to the grassroots movement created by farewell to impact trump farewell Christian's ironism existed before but for obviously but it was not it wasn't a dialect it was a button but christian Zionism anesome the intersecting with domestic American politics and a way to make a difference was needed to exist he created the whole infrastructure and we're all his Timothy's and yeah and I mean if you look like Tim LaHaye Yeah you know how old are you it's an and I would say not an awful old junior I mean it with respect to him like he wasn't in any of those meetings but he was he didn't hear he his name was on the average elbow advisory he didn't attend to me he anythi Bixby didn't didn't do that's farther spirit you know the greatest legacy of respect of Jerry follow seniors is his liberty University but the 2nd greatest legacy is probably this political scientism so miserably so much much so that in America like doing this incredibly divided timeme nobody agrees on anything except Israel And he also didn't have a it wasn't like a surface relationship was deep it was routine I aren't totally imagine the trust of saying like something so sensitive that should imagine the trust of the Israeli Prime Minister and calling jury Paul singer to ask him to go speak to an airport return air bullet I was doing their meeting in Jerusalem when he asked him to call someone that you can read this interview is amazing but is amazing but no no yet it perhaps if in fact one of the 1st I'm just remembering aliyeah I'm just remembering Alec OK now I'm remembering 1 thing we were write it right after the inauguration we had like this meeting at the White House and the purpose of this meeting was to like plan like what are we gonna do and oh sorry I'll text you to go out in 2 minutes I don't know what it is Daniella first meeting at the White House we're in the eyes and how we don't plan on seeing the present or the vice president we're just it's a listening session trying to decide what our priorities are all of us on thevice provides ibuprofessional ascendant to the vice president walks in so to interrupt meetingsend the he sat with us for a while he said come with me and I don't Jarred and Jarrod of Uncle came in before and then the vice president came in Christmas to come with me let's go see the present this doesn't happen at the waves and the vice president walked on the whole group over you know to see the present the oval office we had disliked wonderful informal conversation and what came up in the conversation hold Jerusalem was on I want to end niece and the Melissa more broadly both of it all the way to the beginning

 

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